Official "Deaths within 28 days of positive test" = zero
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Wrong, surely?. The news item actually says:monabri wrote:https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
Official "Deaths within 28 days of positive test" = zero
There are different and (imho) confusing measures...I provided a link to the Government website ( rather than a newspaper) where the generally reported figure is "Deaths within 28 days of positive test" which the website ( and BBC news) reports as zero...but, yes,it is a reported number.Mike4 wrote:Wrong, surely?. The news item actually says:monabri wrote:https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
Official "Deaths within 28 days of positive test" = zero
Deaths reported within 28 days of positive test" = zero
Subtle difference. There may well have been a death (or several) yesterday, which has not yet been reported. But we don't yet know.
I've always thought the bit that makes the headline seem a tad off is:monabri wrote:There are different and (imho) confusing measures...I provided a link to the Government website ( rather than a newspaper) where the generally reported figure is "Deaths within 28 days of positive test" which the website ( and BBC news) reports as zero...but, yes,it is a reported number.Mike4 wrote: Wrong, surely?. The news item actually says:
Deaths reported within 28 days of positive test" = zero
Subtle difference. There may well have been a death (or several) yesterday, which has not yet been reported. But we don't yet know.
I really hope someone's got their eye on possible re-infectionsNumber of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test
What makes Your GP say that it's nonsenseabsolutezero wrote:It's the Bank Holiday data.
The NHS closes at weekend. As my GP says 'if you get seriously ill and need hospital, don't do it at weekend'.
Expect a return to more 'normal' levels today.
Works well when it works!pje16 wrote:What makes Your GP say that it's nonsenseabsolutezero wrote:It's the Bank Holiday data.
The NHS closes at weekend. As my GP says 'if you get seriously ill and need hospital, don't do it at weekend'.
Expect a return to more 'normal' levels today.
I had a major issue on a Sunday, was picked from home within 20 minutes
Operated on as they rolled me out of the ambulance straight into theatre
In summary called at 11am, in bed recovering at 2.15pm
Not bad for a service that allegedly doesn't work weekends
This is why you can't beat the NHSservodude wrote: Works well when it works!
But traditionally (the world over) there's a higher proportion of eejits taking up resources in hospitals at the weekend (apparently they restrict their efforts during the week)
- so... if you're going to break your arm you'll get faster service on a Tuesday
-sd
Indeed!pje16 wrote:This is why you can't beat the NHSservodude wrote: Works well when it works!
But traditionally (the world over) there's a higher proportion of eejits taking up resources in hospitals at the weekend (apparently they restrict their efforts during the week)
- so... if you're going to break your arm you'll get faster service on a Tuesday
-sd
day to day minor stuff (eg A&E I've got a runny nose !) not so hot
but when it's an emergency, they are Superb !
It was a well defined category (or filter) for when things were hectic and there was a large volume of 'data'Julian wrote:I have read elsewhere on this forum that the 28-day thing is a quick and easy first cut and later re-analysis is done to try and more accurately attribute true causes of deaths but it is the within-28-days numbers that all the mainstream media report and I do worry that that might be becoming quite misleading with these low numbers hence my personal focus on hospitalisations and people on mechanical ventilation.
Also personal experience,pje16 wrote:What makes Your GP say that it's nonsenseabsolutezero wrote:It's the Bank Holiday data.
The NHS closes at weekend. As my GP says 'if you get seriously ill and need hospital, don't do it at weekend'.
Expect a return to more 'normal' levels today.
I had a major issue on a Sunday, was picked from home within 20 minutes
Operated on as they rolled me out of the ambulance straight into theatre
In summary called at 11am, in bed recovering at 2.15pm
Not bad for a service that allegedly doesn't work weekends
Disagree. Many countries regularly 'beat the NHS' on a range of measures.pje16 wrote:This is why you can't beat the NHSservodude wrote: Works well when it works!
But traditionally (the world over) there's a higher proportion of eejits taking up resources in hospitals at the weekend (apparently they restrict their efforts during the week)
- so... if you're going to break your arm you'll get faster service on a Tuesday
-sd
day to day minor stuff (eg A&E I've got a runny nose !) not so hot
but when it's an emergency, they are Superb !
There are statistics to back this upabsolutezero wrote:Also personal experience,pje16 wrote: What makes Your GP say that it's nonsense
I had a major issue on a Sunday, was picked from home within 20 minutes
Operated on as they rolled me out of the ambulance straight into theatre
In summary called at 11am, in bed recovering at 2.15pm
Not bad for a service that allegedly doesn't work weekends
When my mother was alive, she suffered from an illness that would flare up and require an ambulance and hospital admission.
There was a definite decrease in the level of care at weekends compared to weekdays. I'm talking basic stuff here.
Call it 'nonsense' if you like but that is my actual lived experience of the precious NHS.
The GP's comments were actually in conversation about this.
So yes. Must be nonsense because you disagree.
Indeed.absolutezero wrote: Disagree. Many countries regularly 'beat the NHS' on a range of measures.
Instant perverse incentive: go for unnecessary treatment at inflated prices. There may be a problem now of big pharma incentivising doctors, but it pales into insignificance compared to presenting Joe Public those incentives. Indeed, you'd soon (instantly?) start seeing kickbacks to consumers.Citizens would get a taxpayer funded health insurance card with unlimited budget (as now) but the actual medical services would be provided by a range of competing providers.
Simple. The NHS is a lottery. You happened to be a winner.pje16 wrote: OK let's agree to disagree
The NHS service I got on a Sunday was brilliant - maybe I was lucky!
I do feel fortunate for more than that, if it had been 12 months later I would have in hospital for 3 weeks surrounded by CovidUncleEbenezer wrote:absolutezero wrote: Simple. The NHS is a lottery. You happened to be a winner.