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Re: Fool me once....
Posted: June 21st, 2021, 6:13 pm
by murraypaul
Itsallaguess wrote:Here's a Telegraph article highlighting this important information -
So far there have been just 42 deaths from the delta variant, and only 12 in fully vaccinated people.
NHS leaders have previously said those dying after being fully vaccinated are also suffering from "profound co-morbidities".
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... nfections/
By the numbers, people >= 14 days post second dose make up: (all numbers from 1st Feb to 14th June)
6.7% of all delta cases
8.0% of all delta cases with an A&E visit
8.2% of all delta cases where an A&E visit resulted in hospitalisation
35.6% of all delta deaths (26 of 73)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ing_16.pdf, page 12.
Incidentally, the variant naming is up to Lambda now. (Not all categorised as variant of concern.)
Re: Fool me once....
Posted: June 21st, 2021, 6:16 pm
by Itsallaguess
Mike4 wrote:
Itsallaguess wrote:
Co-morbidities have been a constant factor for poor COVID outcomes throughout this pandemic, and I think it's important to remember that many of those that aren't pulling through with this Delta variant, even where they've had two vaccine applications, will also have been suffering from difficult underlying health issues.
Here's a Telegraph article highlighting this important information -
So far there have been just 42 deaths from the delta variant, and only 12 in fully vaccinated people.
NHS leaders have previously said those dying after being fully vaccinated are also suffering from "profound co-morbidities".
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... nfections/
The "co" bit in co-morbidity rather confirms that Covid was partly to blame, don'tcher think? Or does it mean something else?
It means that broadly, if you've been double-vaccinated and don't harbour any high-risk underlying health conditions, then you've got a good chance of not dying from COVID even if you get it...
Cheers,
Itsallaguess
Re: Fool me once....
Posted: June 21st, 2021, 6:17 pm
by MrFoolish
Mike4 wrote:Itsallaguess wrote:
Co-morbidities have been a constant factor for poor COVID outcomes throughout this pandemic, and I think it's important to remember that many of those that aren't pulling through with this Delta variant, even where they've had two vaccine applications, will also have been suffering from difficult underlying health issues.
Here's a Telegraph article highlighting this important information -
So far there have been just 42 deaths from the delta variant, and only 12 in fully vaccinated people.
NHS leaders have previously said those dying after being fully vaccinated are also suffering from "profound co-morbidities".
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... nfections/
Cheers,
Itsallaguess
The "co" bit in co-morbidity rather confirms that Covid was partly to blame, don'tcher think? Or does it mean something else?
I expect flu is a common co-morbidity in the seriously ill. So why don't we lock down because of flu?
OK, it's because covid had the real danger of running out of control. But is that still the case?
Re: Fool me once....
Posted: June 21st, 2021, 6:18 pm
by Itsallaguess
murraypaul wrote:
Itsallaguess wrote:
Here's a Telegraph article highlighting this important information -
So far there have been just 42 deaths from the delta variant, and only 12 in fully vaccinated people.
NHS leaders have previously said those dying after being fully vaccinated are also suffering from "profound co-morbidities".
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... nfections/
By the numbers, people >= 14 days post second dose make up: (all numbers from 1st Feb to 14th June)
6.7% of all delta cases
8.0% of all delta cases with an A&E visit
8.2% of all delta cases where an A&E visit resulted in hospitalisation
35.6% of all delta deaths (26 of 73)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ing_16.pdf, page 12.
Thanks - which feel quite encouraging except for the delta-deaths figures, but again, even that info isn't as clear as it might be if it were to include co-morbidity data, which I do think is very influential on the deaths side of things...
Cheers,
Itsallaguess
Re: Fool me once....
Posted: June 21st, 2021, 6:43 pm
by murraypaul
Itsallaguess wrote:Thanks - which feel quite encouraging...
Yes, I think so.
While slightly less effective than against the original virus, the vaccines are still very capable of reducing infection rates, and making the infections that do occur less serious.
Re: Fool me once....
Posted: June 21st, 2021, 6:43 pm
by GeoffF100
Mike4 wrote:[he "co" bit in co-morbidity rather confirms that Covid was partly to blame, don'tcher think? Or does it mean something else?
It means that they were also suffering from one or more conditions other than Covid.
Re: Fool me once....
Posted: June 21st, 2021, 6:49 pm
by GeoffF100
MrFoolish wrote:My impression has always been that covid predominantly finishes off those who didn't have long anyway*.
Results
In total, 20,507,518 years of life have been lost to COVID-19 among the studied 81 countries, due to 1,279,866 deaths from the disease. The average years of life lost per death is 16 years.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3
Re: Fool me once....
Posted: June 21st, 2021, 7:14 pm
by MrFoolish
GeoffF100 wrote:MrFoolish wrote:My impression has always been that covid predominantly finishes off those who didn't have long anyway*.
Results
In total, 20,507,518 years of life have been lost to COVID-19 among the studied 81 countries, due to 1,279,866 deaths from the disease. The average years of life lost per death is 16 years.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3
OK, thanks. Must admit I'm surprised the number is that high.
(I do remain vaguely skeptical though. I remember hearing that air pollution knocked decades off life expectancy, only to hear the methodology rubbished some time later.)