Re: Vaccine straw poll
Posted: April 7th, 2021, 3:05 pm
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None, all (like me) elderly! Everyone computer checked at three stages before being escorted to relevant jab station. So probably having their second jab too.XFool wrote:...Any perceptible difference between the people in the two queues?
Really? That must have been a slip up because mix and match is not recommended, acc. to various experts I have heard on bbc radio programmes.9redsturgeon wrote:A friend phoned yesterday.
Had the Pfizer jab ten weeks ago. Just had his second jab...AZ!
John
Yes it was a mistake!Bouleversee wrote:Really? That must have been a slip up because mix and match is not recommended, acc. to various experts I have heard on bbc radio programmes.9redsturgeon wrote:A friend phoned yesterday.
Had the Pfizer jab ten weeks ago. Just had his second jab...AZ!
John
!!!redsturgeon wrote:Yes it was a mistake!Bouleversee wrote: Really? That must have been a slip up because mix and match is not recommended, acc. to various experts I have heard on bbc radio programmes.9
That's what I told him.mc2fool wrote:!!!redsturgeon wrote: Yes it was a mistake!
Well he may want to contact https://www.comcovstudy.org.uk/, which is researching combinations of vaccines. He won't be able to join the trials but they may be interested to have him contact them anyway, for a possible information swap....
Had my second AZ jab yesterday, ten weeks after my first. Excellent, but the process was not quite so reassuring. They were running late, and they were in such a hurry that they didn't even let me sit down for the vaccination!redsturgeon wrote:Yes it was a mistake!Bouleversee wrote: Really? That must have been a slip up because mix and match is not recommended, acc. to various experts I have heard on bbc radio programmes.9
Jab was duly administered, and without side effects. (Unlike the first jab, which laid me up for three days.) And, unlike the first time, they gave me a card this time. But thinking about it afterwards, I'm bothered by all the things that could have gone wrong there if I'd been a bit less aware. Wrong date info, wrong vaccine, maybe a yellow card side-effects report not noticed?Doctor: "Have you brought your card from last time with you?"
BJ: "I wasn't given one."
Dr: "Okay, the card when you booked this appointment?"
BJ: It was a text message appointment, no paperwork was involved."
Dr: "So where was your first jab?"
BJ: "You did it, here."
DR: "Which vaccine was used?"
BJ: "AstraZeneca." (Thinks: Surely all that's on your records? Why don't you know?)
That's as the Zoe Covid tracking research suggests, the AZ vaccine being observed to have a lower incidence of side effects on the second dose vs the first dose whereas it's the other way round for the Pfizer jab.bungeejumper wrote:Had my second AZ jab yesterday, ten weeks after my first. Excellent, but the process was not quite so reassuring. They were running late, and they were in such a hurry that they didn't even let me sit down for the vaccination!
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Jab was duly administered, and without side effects. (Unlike the first jab, which laid me up for three days.) ...
No list of 16 questions either?bungeejumper wrote:Had my second AZ jab yesterday, ten weeks after my first. Excellent, but the process was not quite so reassuring. They were running late, and they were in such a hurry that they didn't even let me sit down for the vaccination!redsturgeon wrote: Yes it was a mistake!
Jab was duly administered, and without side effects. (Unlike the first jab, which laid me up for three days.) And, unlike the first time, they gave me a card this time. But thinking about it afterwards, I'm bothered by all the things that could have gone wrong there if I'd been a bit less aware. Wrong date info, wrong vaccine, maybe a yellow card side-effects report not noticed?Doctor: "Have you brought your card from last time with you?"
BJ: "I wasn't given one."
Dr: "Okay, the card when you booked this appointment?"
BJ: It was a text message appointment, no paperwork was involved."
Dr: "So where was your first jab?"
BJ: "You did it, here."
DR: "Which vaccine was used?"
BJ: "AstraZeneca." (Thinks: Surely all that's on your records? Why don't you know?)
And of course, I've now got a card that gives my second vaccination date but not my first. I hope I don't have to produce it to go on holiday?
BJ
Oh yes, the half-dozen marshals outside were dealing with those, as they wielded their cattle prods on the 300-odd freezing cold people waiting in the queue. But I don't think any of their questions were about the previous jab - just about my current state of health.Mike4 wrote:No list of 16 questions either?
Theres a lot of unknowns in this, getting covid and recovering will give you some protection in the short term, having two vaccinations will give you long term protection.Mike4 wrote:"I won't have a covid vaccine (I've had covid, so I should have antibodies)."
This raises an interesting question the media never discusses. Yes you "should" have antibodies but not everybody does, apparently. But antibodies are not the only result of being vaccinated AFAIK, the body learns other ways of combating future infection from both being vaccinated and from actually being infected apart from sprouting antibodies.
So the question is, are "being vaccinated" and "having had a positive PCR test result" analogous in terms of future protection?
And if yes, what level of protection does having a positive PCR test give from future infection/mild illness/severe illness/hospitalisation in comparison to vaccination? Better or worse than the 90%-ish we get from vaccines? Presumably there has been a tonne of research on this point but the media doesn't seem to ever look at it.
A final question in my mind is if one has already acquired an unknown degree of resistance from being historically infected with coronavirus asymptomatically, is resistance increased by being vaccinated as well? To what degree?
And finally finally, is "I've already had COVID" a valid reason to refuse vaccination, socially speaking?
If you have evidence for this you should publish it.Bouleversee wrote:Also, protection at whatever level, doesn't last indefinitely.
I know someone who had measles three times. Sucked for them but from a public health perspective it is rare so results in a very small increase in the vaccination rate needed for herd immunity. No practical effect on the plan to control measles.Bouleversee wrote:Of course I don't have any evidence. I only know what I read in the press and hear on the radio. However, I do know two youngsters who have had Covid-19 twice and the govt. is talking of giving us a 3rd booster in the Autumn so their exoerts presumably don't think it lasts for ever. How many vaccines do give permanent immunity? We have to have flu jabs every year; isn't the coronavirus similar? Admittedly, we are told that the pneumococcal jab is only needed once and I suppose that applies to polio and possibly others but nobody has suggested, so far as I am aware, that any of the covid jabs provide protection for ever. Indeed, Pfizer claim that the protection of their jab diminishes rather rapidly which is why they like the 2nd jab to be given considerably sooner (3-6 weeks) than the 12 week interval decided on by our govt. As I understand it, the virus can go on mutating until we get herd immunity so modified jabs will be necessary at regular intervals until then, possibly for ever, won't they?