The Lemon Fool

tjh290633 wrote:That 70% figure amazes me. I know very few people who have had the virus. My suspicion is that the sample used is far from representative. Maybe the people in the sample are more susceptible to the virus than the population at large.

TJH

My guess of 30% for TLF community was based on us being wealthier and older than the average person (so lower-density households) , far less likely to be night-club bartenders, but drivers or social care workers, and better at assessing risks and taking appropriate mitigations.

zico wrote:

tjh290633 wrote:That 70% figure amazes me. I know very few people who have had the virus. My suspicion is that the sample used is far from representative. Maybe the people in the sample are more susceptible to the virus than the population at large.

My guess of 30% for TLF community was based on us being wealthier and older than the average person (so lower-density households) , far less likely to be night-club bartenders, but drivers or social care workers, and better at assessing risks and taking appropriate mitigations.

But I assume you have twigged that the 70% includes people who haven't tested, so the poll isn't comparing like with like?

Scott.

zico wrote:

tjh290633 wrote:That 70% figure amazes me. I know very few people who have had the virus. My suspicion is that the sample used is far from representative. Maybe the people in the sample are more susceptible to the virus than the population at large.

TJH

My guess of 30% for TLF community was based on us being wealthier and older than the average person (so lower-density households) , far less likely to be night-club bartenders, but drivers or social care workers, and better at assessing risks and taking appropriate mitigations.

I'd just like to point out that I've never at any time in my life, been a but driver.

I'm in the minority on this forum, then!

I had COVID-19 in November 2021 (tested positive on lateral flow and then PCR). I was feeling a bit tired to swim so I did a 7 km walk instead that morning, then I took the test more as a precautionary measure before seeing relatives. This was on the Sunday morning and on Monday/Tuesday it developed so that I felt pretty exhausted. Exhaustion was the key symptom for me as I did not have the cough, fever, loss of taste/smell or any of the usual issues and no breathing problems. I just felt very tired and remained tired even though I was resting and not doing much. I recovered after a few weeks and started swimming again at the same standard as before.

In April 2022, I was at a gathering where it turned out almost everyone subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. I tested for seven days and all negative, so I assume I dodged it. However, I was sat at dinner on two consecutive nights for hours with people who turned out to be positive. (The few of us who did avoid it were all triple jabbed and had all had it within the past six months.)

Best wishes


Mark.

Lootman wrote: Some of us argued from the very start that the lockdown should have applied only to (say) the over fifties and the vulnerable. Whilst the rest of the population should have continued to work and socialise as normal.

Given that 70% ended up catching it even with the restrictions, perhaps we would have reached this 70% threshold level more quickly. Wasn't 70% saturation cited as the herd immunity point by some?

But many people only caught it after being vaccinated (like me). If we had caught it before then some of us would have been more seriously ill or died. Causing more strain on hospitals with the inevitable knock on effect to people with other illnesses. So I think precautions earlier were worth while, in that they bought us time to produce ways of reducing the effects. This argument has gone round many times and don't suppose any of us are going to change our views now.

Gersemi wrote:But many people only caught it after being vaccinated (like me). If we had caught it before then some of us would have been more seriously ill or died.

In the four or five months leading up to me getting COVID, I averaged an hour's exercise each day (power walking, cycling and swimming). I was young, fit and with no health conditions. Knowing how exhausted I felt for some weeks (I had 2.5 weeks off work), I do wonder how I'd have fared without being double-jabbed (now triple).

Best wishes


Mark.

Mother, now 90, caught it around a week after having her first jab back in January 2021, after a fall hospital admission for a hip op. Mild symptoms, the isolation (after remaining a further 4 days on the ward) did more (mental) damage.

Early 20's son, no vaccinations, caught it pretty much as soon as nightclubs were reopened. Mild cold like symptoms. His couple of years older brother tested positive a few weeks back, he's been vaccinated, a more heavier cold like symptoms but still remained working from home throughout. As they'd both returned home following the start of Covid I had close contact with both sons during their infected period, I've been doubled jabbed, haven't had any symptoms, no positive tests but I haven't been tested that much (primarily just regular tests in early mid 2021 in order to visit mother in a recuperation home. I would guess that given such prolonged close proximity that I've had with infected family members likely I've had it but our family/genes seem to be such that we endure mild symptoms at most - comparable to a cold.

Despite being a regular cold catcher pre Covid I've not had one since, which is exceptional. Previously if in a cinema at one far end and another person sneezed at the other far end, I'd be the one with a cold in the following days.

So in our close family unit case, 75% having had positive tests, 25% with no positive test but most likely having at some point been positive.

ADrunkenMarcus wrote:

Gersemi wrote:But many people only caught it after being vaccinated (like me). If we had caught it before then some of us would have been more seriously ill or died.

In the four or five months leading up to me getting COVID, I averaged an hour's exercise each day (power walking, cycling and swimming). I was young, fit and with no health conditions. Knowing how exhausted I felt for some weeks (I had 2.5 weeks off work), I do wonder how I'd have fared without being double-jabbed (now triple).

Best wishes


Mark.

Yeah it's quite clear what effect vaccines had

Which is why I find the examples in https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/ morbidly fascinating
- the constant disregard for the evidence, and the reframing of such to fit the party line for whatever orcs run the myth factory is fascinating

-sd

zico wrote:ONS figures today show 70% of the population were infected since end Apr 2020. I just wondered what the % is for Lemonfools. My guess would be 30%.If multiple infections, please just answer 'Yes'.

The ONS 70% includes some who know they've had it (once or more) and others who don't.

Your poll can't ever make a comparable figure.

servodude wrote:

ADrunkenMarcus wrote: In the four or five months leading up to me getting COVID, I averaged an hour's exercise each day (power walking, cycling and swimming). I was young, fit and with no health conditions. Knowing how exhausted I felt for some weeks (I had 2.5 weeks off work), I do wonder how I'd have fared without being double-jabbed (now triple).

Best wishes


Mark.

Yeah it's quite clear what effect vaccines had

Which is why I find the examples in https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/ morbidly fascinating
- the constant disregard for the evidence, and the reframing of such to fit the party line for whatever orcs run the myth factory is fascinating

-sd

Me too. A fascinating illumination of the nature of human nature, the way some people are able to twist and discount any amount of evidence that the position they took in the beginning is wrong, and simply refuse to change their mind when changing their mind would be the logical thing to do.

Back near the beginning of the pandemic I read an article about a study of this effect, where presentation of some scientific evidence to a subject that they are wrong sometimes has the opposite effect to that which you'd expect i.e. they reject the evidence as false. Offering further evidence it hardens the subject's determination that they are right and therefore the additional evidence they've just been presented with must also be wrong, ad infinitum. Might even have been on here I read about it. We see it in real life in the people around us sometimes, or I do anyway. The effect described in the study was given a name but I've forgotten it...

Just crashed in here after being surprised by Prof Tim Spector's (Zoe) comment saying that "nearly everyone has probably had it by now"
https://youtu.be/05_idwi66jM?t=364

My experience and that of the people around me, reflects the results of this survey and is at odds with Spector's comment.

Daytona wrote:Just crashed in here after being surprised by Prof Tim Spector's (Zoe) comment saying that "nearly everyone has probably had it by now"
https://youtu.be/05_idwi66jM?t=364

My experience and that of the people around me, reflects the results of this survey and is at odds with Spector's comment.

Maybe there is now a 'Stealth COVID' variant?

Mrs RS and I are still covid free. I have noticed though in the past month a few people I know are catching it for the first time. So maybe we will all have had in by Xmas.

John

XFool wrote:

Daytona wrote:Just crashed in here after being surprised by Prof Tim Spector's (Zoe) comment saying that "nearly everyone has probably had it by now"
https://youtu.be/05_idwi66jM?t=364

My experience and that of the people around me, reflects the results of this survey and is at odds with Spector's comment.

Maybe there is now a 'Stealth COVID' variant?

Hasn't there always been this? Previously known as 'asymptomatic infection'?

redsturgeon wrote:Mrs RS and I are still covid free. I have noticed though in the past month a few people I know are catching it for the first time. So maybe we will all have had in by Xmas.

John

I was discussing this a couple of months ago with a mathematician. She was saying although nearly everyone has antibodies, she thinks 70% is from infection and 30% from vaccination. If she is right, this explains why the guvvermint goes to such lengths to suppress the data on the split.